To all concerned:
I don't know if the child in the picture at Kids Corner is a boy or a girl. I
guessed it was a boy and that's why I originally referred to it as such, but the
more I look at it I'm not really sure it is. Anyway, I don't think its
important. We probably were going to have one character whether a boy, a girl
or some other animated character -- to demonstrate a hunt for kids -- it ought
to make no difference to us one way or the other if we really are unbiased
people. But I certainly don't see it as necessary to add another character,
whether a boy or a girl, in order to convince ourselves that we are being nice
to everyone. This is just letterboxing. We're not the Anti-defamation League.
I don't think you'll see anything happening here that would raise any of those
concerns. I, for one, like everybody who is a decent friend. You can be orange
and hobbling on one leg, that's OK with me.
Anyway, I remember when I was a child, I didn't care who was what. I played
with everyone just the same -- girls, and boys. Then I got older and hormones
have skewed my perceptions ever since. But I just want to say I think there are
no sexual biases here. I like you all: You gals in TEXAS and you guys in
Oregon. You're all cool to me. I'm content to leave it up to Mitch or whoever
contributes an illustration to choose a sex for the child or the little animal
person -- whatever it turns out to be -- And hopefully we will never have to
worry about this PC stuff.
I am a bit disappointed though that we have no girls with web development
skills. So far it is just me Mitch and Randy. It would be nice to have a girl
or two to help out with what otherwise might be skewed (artistically, not
sexually) by men.
So again, I just want to say: Let's make the kid's thing helpful and fun and not
worry about being PC. But also, girls jump in anytime and make your
contributions and opinions known. We're not snobbish or egoistic here. All
ideas are welcome.
As an aside: I find it interesting how clear it was in Mitch's memory about all
the hoopla a few months back concerning cyberboxes. My memory
recalls that as an issue of "Art vs. Function" I really think Art won that
one. And what we have as a result is more patience to make whatever we do now,
while not devoid of function, nonetheless beautiful and appreciating all the
different artisic flavors and visions of our participants. So whatever the kids
stuff turns out to be (including the sex of charatcers) let's let it be easy on
the eyes and also functional enough for the kids.
Thank you for all your recent input on Kids Corner. Let's keep talking about
the Kids Corner and making contributions to it. I'm here to post information
for you at will if you have any. Just let me know.
Dan
Ps. What does anybody think about an "ABC's" book icon to point to Mitch's
Stamp carving instructions for the kids? And there might just as well be a
similar link to teach them about a compass or a map...
Comments welcome.
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Sexual biases?
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[L-USA] Sexual biases?
From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1998-11-14 14:54:15 UTC-06:00
[L-USA] Re: Sexual biases?
From: (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 1998-11-14 17:38:26 UTC-05:00
I think the point here, Dan, is that children might relate to the characters
better if there was a boy and a girl depicted. We don't want girls to think
of letterboxing as something that's only for boys, or vica versa. Its for ALL
kids.
Maybe it would be better to not have any human characters and stick with
animals. Still, I think we will want some characters that are both male and
female.
Everybody knows that Kanga is a female and Owl and Pooh are male. Now, I'll
admit that Christopher Robin, as well as Piglet and Roo, are kinda
questionable. Despite the first name, I always thought li'l Crissy "the
sissy" Robin was a little ambiguous when it came to sexuality. But that's all
part of the charm and magic that exists in the simple world of "the bear of
little brain".
In a message dated 11/14/98 12:57:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, elf@pclink.com
writes:
> To all concerned:
>
> I don't know if the child in the picture at Kids Corner is a boy or a girl.
> I
> guessed it was a boy and that's why I originally referred to it as such,
but
> the
> more I look at it I'm not really sure it is. Anyway, I don't think its
> important. We probably were going to have one character whether a boy, a
> girl
> or some other animated character -- to demonstrate a hunt for kids -- it
> ought
> to make no difference to us one way or the other if we really are unbiased
> people. But I certainly don't see it as necessary to add another
character,
> whether a boy or a girl, in order to convince ourselves that we are being
> nice
> to everyone. This is just letterboxing. We're not the Anti-defamation
> League.
> I don't think you'll see anything happening here that would raise any of
> those
> concerns. I, for one, like everybody who is a decent friend. You can be
> orange
> and hobbling on one leg, that's OK with me.
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better if there was a boy and a girl depicted. We don't want girls to think
of letterboxing as something that's only for boys, or vica versa. Its for ALL
kids.
Maybe it would be better to not have any human characters and stick with
animals. Still, I think we will want some characters that are both male and
female.
Everybody knows that Kanga is a female and Owl and Pooh are male. Now, I'll
admit that Christopher Robin, as well as Piglet and Roo, are kinda
questionable. Despite the first name, I always thought li'l Crissy "the
sissy" Robin was a little ambiguous when it came to sexuality. But that's all
part of the charm and magic that exists in the simple world of "the bear of
little brain".
In a message dated 11/14/98 12:57:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, elf@pclink.com
writes:
> To all concerned:
>
> I don't know if the child in the picture at Kids Corner is a boy or a girl.
> I
> guessed it was a boy and that's why I originally referred to it as such,
but
> the
> more I look at it I'm not really sure it is. Anyway, I don't think its
> important. We probably were going to have one character whether a boy, a
> girl
> or some other animated character -- to demonstrate a hunt for kids -- it
> ought
> to make no difference to us one way or the other if we really are unbiased
> people. But I certainly don't see it as necessary to add another
character,
> whether a boy or a girl, in order to convince ourselves that we are being
> nice
> to everyone. This is just letterboxing. We're not the Anti-defamation
> League.
> I don't think you'll see anything happening here that would raise any of
> those
> concerns. I, for one, like everybody who is a decent friend. You can be
> orange
> and hobbling on one leg, that's OK with me.
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[L-USA] Re: Sexual biases?
From: (FencePoste@aol.com) |
Date: 1998-11-15 16:13:34 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 98-11-14 15:57:00 EST, elf@pclink.com writes:
<
and hobbling on one leg, that's OK with me.>>
I guess you found my yearbook picture. :-D
<< I am a bit disappointed though that we have no girls with web development
skills. So far it is just me Mitch and Randy. It would be nice to have a
girl
or two to help out with what otherwise might be skewed (artistically, not
sexually) by men.>>
Uh...What did you have in mind? Does the phrase "too many cooks" ring a bell
for anyone? I'd be scared stiff to think more than a couple people were
picking at the website for us LOL We could really end up with a mish-mash.
If you just need artistic input, we can do that without HTML expertise. I know
only the most basic HTML commands myself. It's not hard, but it's tedious, and
I'm lazy as the day is long. I let AOL's programs do my web pages for me :-)
I love watching this thing grow and I also happen
to love being politically incorrect much of the time :-D
Lynn
Columbia, MO
http://members.aol.com/lynniepoo2
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I guess you found my yearbook picture. :-D
<< I am a bit disappointed though that we have no girls with web development
skills. So far it is just me Mitch and Randy. It would be nice to have a
girl
or two to help out with what otherwise might be skewed (artistically, not
sexually) by men.>>
Uh...What did you have in mind? Does the phrase "too many cooks" ring a bell
for anyone? I'd be scared stiff to think more than a couple people were
picking at the website for us LOL We could really end up with a mish-mash.
If you just need artistic input, we can do that without HTML expertise. I know
only the most basic HTML commands myself. It's not hard, but it's tedious, and
I'm lazy as the day is long. I let AOL's programs do my web pages for me :-)
I love watching this thing grow and I also happen
to love being politically incorrect much of the time :-D
Lynn
Columbia, MO
http://members.aol.com/lynniepoo2
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[L-USA] Re: Sexual biases?
From: (FencePoste@aol.com) |
Date: 1998-11-15 16:18:32 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 98-11-14 17:39:15 EST, Letterboxr@aol.com writes:
<<
Everybody knows that Kanga is a female and Owl and Pooh are male. Now, I'll
admit that Christopher Robin, as well as Piglet and Roo, are kinda
questionable. Despite the first name, I always thought li'l Crissy "the
sissy" Robin was a little ambiguous when it came to sexuality. But that's
all
part of the charm and magic that exists in the simple world of "the bear of
little brain". >>
hahahaha you don't watch enough TV, my friend. Kanga is the ONLY female among
Poo and his friends. No bout adoubt it as far as this Disney mom is
concerned!!!
:-D
I also don't think kids give a rip what gender they're clicking on when it
comes to computer games, etc. My sons are thrilled to be the female character
if that character's skill level puts them at an advantage. No biggie at all. A
non-issue in my opinion.
Lynnie
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<<
Everybody knows that Kanga is a female and Owl and Pooh are male. Now, I'll
admit that Christopher Robin, as well as Piglet and Roo, are kinda
questionable. Despite the first name, I always thought li'l Crissy "the
sissy" Robin was a little ambiguous when it came to sexuality. But that's
all
part of the charm and magic that exists in the simple world of "the bear of
little brain". >>
hahahaha you don't watch enough TV, my friend. Kanga is the ONLY female among
Poo and his friends. No bout adoubt it as far as this Disney mom is
concerned!!!
:-D
I also don't think kids give a rip what gender they're clicking on when it
comes to computer games, etc. My sons are thrilled to be the female character
if that character's skill level puts them at an advantage. No biggie at all. A
non-issue in my opinion.
Lynnie
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